I'm going to guess that the base of the machine is shaped like the back of a fiddle and, if so, it's a Singer New Family, not a No 2. PRICES: The average price paid for a black 221 since 1990 has been 1.
Singer tell her that her 66 was made in 1926 when my information says that the model was discontinued in 1920.
As for her second machine, the No 2, the situation gets into farce. The following is the number of people who responded by state, and the number of machines by state: AK-5 persons with 14 machines, AL-10/22, AR-2/2, AZ-14/19, CA-72/118, CO-5/6, CT-6/6, DE-1/1, FL-19/37, GA-10/12, IA-12/19, ID-4/4, IL-18/24, IN-13/16, KS-7/7, KY-2/3, LA-4/4, MA-9/11, MD-13/40, ME-4/5, MI-25/28, MN-7/11, MO-8/9, MS-1/3, MT-2/10, NC-7/11, NE-6/8, NH-4/6, NJ-18/23, NM-5/15, NV-1/1, NY-22/33, OH-24/32, OK-4/78, OR-23/27, PA-20/36, SC-2/3, SD-1/1, TN-5/9, TX-24/32, UT-3/4, VA-31/54, VT-1/1, WA-32/43, WI-11/11, WY-4/6, Australia-8/9, Alberta, Canada- 3/10, British Columbia, Canada-7/10, Nova Scotia, Canada-2/6, Ontario, Canada-18/30, New Zealand-3/4, Taiwan-1/1, United Kingdom-1/1.
Also, I haven't heard of Singer giving out what appear to be bad build dates on their machines.
They do frequently, however, insist that certain machines are different model numbers than what they obviously are.
The Kilbowie two-letter SN system was started in October 1935 with EA 1. Previous to '35 they used a single letter but not in alphabetical order -- or anything like it.
Sorry I could not be of more help ---------------------------- Date: 27 Mar 96 EST From: Graham Forsdyke ([email protected]) Subject: Contribution To Suzy/Becky re Singer dates.
That you can call the Singer company and get the birthdate of yourmachine. The Singer # is1-800-4-SINGER Singer Dating, US: 1-800-4Singer Singer Dating, US: 1-800-877-7762 Singer Industrials Dating/Info., US: 1-800-342-6808 Dating your Singer machine SINGER DATES N....1900 L....1901 K....1902 B....1904 H....1906 D....1908 G--0,999,999....1909 G--2,500,000....1910 G--4,400,000....1913 G--6,500,000....1916 G--8,500,000....1919 G--9,999,999....1921 G--0,998,000....1924 F....1924 Y....1925Model Years made Comments ----------------------------- 15 15-13 15-90 24 24-50 treadle, small 24-80 27 treadle 28-4 hand-cranked, 3/4 size, vibrating shuttle 31kls industrial 44kl3 1925 treadle 66 treadle, drop-in bobbin 66-1 treadle 66-4 66-6 66-16 99k 3/4 size, hand-cranked or electric portable 99-13 knee-press 99k-28 portable 101 127 treadle 128 portable 128-13 132k6 industrial 185j 1960-62 green portable 191 industrial 2-56 featherweight 221-1 " 221b 1968-70 white " 221j tan ", beige 221k 1941-64 black ", off white 221k1 " 221k5 " 221k7 " white " 221? 222k 1941-64 free-arm 241-12 industrial 2-59 slant needle; straight needle 301a " tan 301a " beige 319 327p plastic machine 328k 331k4 industrial 338 turquoise 404 500a 591 industrial, computer unit Capri new, white Spartan Toys - model 20 ? In 1905 some Singer's were manufactured under the name of Date: 23 Feb 96 EST From: Graham Forsdyke ([email protected]) Subject: Contributions/Factory designations There's been some confusion over Singer factory designation codes, some, understandably, believing that E was for England. I am using the word factory to describe a location where machines were either built or assembled.
A Anderson South Carolina AP Lagos Nigera B Bonnieres France BE Casablanca Morocco BG Bancock Thailand C Campinas Brazil CH Santiago Chili Cy Ratmalana Ceylon E Elizabeth NJ USA F Taytay Phillipines G Karlsruhe Germany GH Tema Ghana H Karachi Pakistan HC Chittigong East Pakistan J St Jaohns Canada K Clydebank Scotland L Bogota Colombia LM Kinshasha Congo M Monza Italy ML Petaling Malaysia N Taichung Taiwan P Penrith NSW Australia PR Lima Peru Q Johannesburg S Africa R Querataro Mexico T Delhi India TN Tunis Tunisia U Utsunomiga Japan V Buenos Aires Argentinia VN Saigon South Vietnam Y Maltepe Turkey Z Alcenon France There were also "factories" in Wurselen in Germany and Alencon in France but I can find no record of designations for them.
I have asked Singer USA to explain its system of dating machines but so far it has failed to respond to my letters.
The situation with Becky's two machines is even odder.
The source is a book published by Singer in 1980 for its reps and dealers and is a photographic record "to provide an easy means of identification of sewing machines sold in the UK from 1870 to 1862" Each model is photographed and with a caption giving dates of manufacture and other details. Black machines produced in Britain from 1949 to 1955 when entire 221K production went over to the pale tourquoise. EZ was used from May '68 to April '70 and FB from April '69 to June '71.